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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

Investigating the President with Nick Akerman

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2018

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

It’s time we talked about Watergate. The crime, the greed, the paranoia and the investigation; how does one of the most significant criminal conspiracies in the history of the American republic help to inform us about what’s unfolding with Robert Mueller’s investigation? Former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman tells the story of what it was like on the inside of the investigation. Hear him explain the exact moment he knew President Nixon was guilty, the vast gap between what we know and what Robert Mueller knows, and how he thinks we ended up back here nearly 50 years later. Email us at [email protected] Tweet using #WITHpod Read more at nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening

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0:00.0

Did you think when Nixon went down, when you guys issued a report, you'd done your job,

0:04.6

you'd gotten your man that, like, some kind of cathartic event that occurred and a new era

0:12.0

was dawning? Yeah, I mean, I think that it was almost inconceivable to me that this could ever

0:17.6

happen again. Hello and welcome to Why is this happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

0:25.6

Okay, so I don't think I'm alone in spending a lot of time recently thinking about Watergate,

0:33.2

right? I mean, it's basically everywhere all the time. Right now, the, you know, the top-selling

0:39.6

book in America is, of course, Bob Woodward, who was a mislead part of the Woodward and Bernstein

0:44.8

team that broke open Watergate. You got the hit slate podcast from last year called Slowburn,

0:49.4

which to me was part of what kind of retradited my interest in Watergate. But the reason that we're

0:53.8

obsessed with Watergate right now, we're thinking about Watergate is because the last time that

0:58.4

a president of the United States faced such serious, sustained investigation and criminal inquiry

1:05.2

was Watergate. And, you know, there's this line about history doesn't repeat but it rhymes,

1:10.3

and there's a lot of rhymes. Right? I mean, the threats to the special counsel, the fact that

1:16.8

there was a break in of the DNC in both cases, they broke into the DNC in Watergate. They were

1:24.6

actually breaking into repair a phone tap that had broken. The time they got busted was them breaking

1:30.8

in because they bugged the phones and the bug went south. So they were breaking into get to repair

1:36.0

the bug on the phone in the DNC, which is just bonkers in and of itself. So you've got, you've got

1:40.8

the break in the DNC in Watergate and then you've got the break into the DNC servers in the case of,

1:45.2

you know, rush a gate if you want to call it that. Of course, Watergate is the origin of all the

1:49.3

gates that we attached everything. You've got a president who is paranoid, constantly thinks that

1:57.2

there are enemies lurking within, probably right. You've got a president who is kind of simultaneously

2:03.7

waging a kind of culture war, fetishizing law and order while either being directly involved in

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