Hello and

I'm Francis Foster.

I'm Constantine Kissen.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

A wonderful returning for the third time now.

Guest today is a firefighter, trade unionist,t columnist, Blue Labor Guy.

Paul Embry, welcome back to Trigonometry.

Lovely to be back.

And one thing I didn't mention the introduction,

but I really should, is the fact that you're the author of Despised,

which is this great book here, which is one of the reasons we really wanted to talk with you again.

Last time we talked about, I was pushing you to run for Parliament,

if you remember that. That hasn't happened yet. Are you happy that Centrist Dad, Kieostam, is now leader and is going to reform the Labour Party in the direction that you want?

He wouldn't have been my choice, He's not the leader of choice for me. Having said that, I don't think it was a particularly appealing field.

And I think there's I think there's an issue around

Kiekestama at the end of the day is a North London liberal lawyer.

I think instinctively he doesn't necessarily understand the working classes, the people that the Labour

Party needs to win back if they're ever going to win power again.

He comes from that wing of the party which now dominates the party that is completely

obsessed with promoting cosmopolitan liberalism

and you know I think he's got a real mountain to climb. That said I think he's done

okay I think he's had a steady start I think he's got some good people around him.

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