The Least of Us with Sam Quinones - Part 2

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🗓️ 23 June 2023

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Host Reed Galen is joined for a two-part conversation by Journalist and Author Sam Quinones. In “Part 2”, they discuss how corporations prey on addiction to legally market their products, how communities that have recovered from large scale drug addiction are rich in “new coal” as a resource, and how the opioid crisis touches so many other non-drug issues in American society. If you’d like to ask a question or share a comment with The Lincoln Project, send an email to [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, it's Reid. Before we get started, we're doing something a little bit different today.
0:04.2	My conversation with Sam Kenyones is really about what drives so many of the societal forces that
0:09.5	we hear about but don't really always understand. Sometimes we need to be reminded how lucky we all are
0:15.5	and how a lot of people don't have it as good as we do. And now on with the show.
0:20.4	Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reid Gail. Today we conclude our
0:34.0	conversation with Sam Kenyones. If you didn't catch part one, we welcome you to give it a listen.
0:38.6	And now let's resume our time with Sam Kenyones. So I want to get back to fentanyl for a second
0:43.9	because it has national implications, it has international implications. In fact, back in my
0:49.2	little town here in Utah in 2016, two middle schoolers died because they ingested fentanyl that
0:56.3	they'd gotten. I think they'd actually ordered from China wherever it was. And then one of the
1:00.4	police officers who responded to the call just touched the bag it was in didn't even actually
1:05.7	touch it itself and had to be hospitalized. So talk about it. So for a long time, you know, China
1:11.4	was pumping this stuff out and you could order it through the mail. Right. China has produced
1:16.8	fentanyl since the mid 80s when it signed an agreement with the guy who invented fentanyl.
1:22.2	Paul Janssen, Belgian, and Kermis, one of the great scientific minds of 20th century in my opinion.
1:26.9	And they've been like licensed. So a lot of companies now know how to make fentanyl. Well,
1:32.3	as Chinese chemical companies realize what's going on in the United States, they began to market
1:36.6	fentanyl online sometimes on the dark web, which I still don't know how to get onto. And sometimes
1:42.1	on the regular internet, but increasingly began to see and they would ship it through the mail.
1:47.8	They package it up, put it in some non-descript envelope and send say a pound or quarter kilo roughly
1:54.2	something like that of fentanyl two dealers. Now dealers in certain areas of the country were the
1:59.9	first to figure this out. And those areas were the areas with first got into the opioid problem.
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