Coming up on the Mark Devine show, you can never let your guard down for it.

You can learn just as much from a toxic leader as you can from a good leader.

At some point in your career, you're going to run across them, unfortunately the military

is kind of the perfect breeding ground because good leaders have other options.

Good leaders have options to go do other things and that's a constant pull to them to leave

the military and go off and do something else because they can be successful in doing

that other thing.

This is Mark Devine and this is the Mark Devine show.

On this show I explore what it means to be fearless through the lens of the world's

most compassionate, resilient and inspirational leaders, folks who all walk some life, stoke

philosophers, psychedelic researchers, elite entrepreneurs and military leaders, such

as my guest today, Command Sergeant Major Bradley Jones.

Today we're going to meet Bradley, talk about his new book, Trading the Deep, which he recently

published, giving his perspectives as an elicited soldier heading up to the highest rank

as Command Sergeant Major.

It's very funny and insightful book on leadership.

I think you'll enjoy it.

Bradley Jones enlisted in the Army in 1984 and was on active duty for a number of years

then after doing submissionary service and college got back into the National Guard and

served for the rest of his career, awards serving in combat in Afghanistan, bronze star,

military service medal, army commendation medal, three oak leaf squash, three times army

achievement medal, good conduct, armed forces reserve medal, Afghanistan campaign, G-wrought

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