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We should pay to give up our privacy and as citizens we can push for that,

but we have to understand that there are this very simple, handful of ownership stories

that are driving all these debates and the people who are the real owners

that are pretty good at telling their story.

Hi and welcome back to Emicus.

This is Slates Podcast about the Courts and the Supreme Court and the Law and the Rule of Law.

I'm Dahlia Lithwick and this week is part of our Summer Blockbuster series on books or films,

ideas that you may have missed that you might want to mull over a little bit over the summer

while the court is in Recess.

We wanted to talk this week about mine, how the hidden rules of ownership control our lives.

This book was co-written by Michael Heller and James Saltsman.

It was published by Double Day this past spring.

Mine seeks to do for ownership what Freakonomics did for incentives and what Nudge did for our cognitive biases.

It opens up a new kind of counterintuitive and I thought really fascinating way to think about the world that we all take for granted.

I'm joined this week by one of the authors, Michael Heller, who is the Lawrence A. Ween Professor of Real Estate Law at Columbia Law School.

He's also the Vice Dean there, so Michael Heller, welcome to Emicus.

It's so great to be with you here.

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