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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

But what we saw on the intelligence side was unacceptable,

because what we saw was day in, day out,

thousands of intrusions occurring across the range of American industry.

And we saw we'd see the intruders hop in,

and then we'd see the data being exfiltrated out.

And what we weren't doing was deterring it, disrupting it,

the way we do with other threats in this sphere.

Came back to the national security division,

really as we weren't applying some of the same lessons we'd applied to terrorism.

For instance, we were not sharing the intelligence and law enforcement information

when it came to the cyber threat.

So when we came back in 2012, we retrained hundreds of prosecutors

throughout the field to be national security cyber specialists.

Trained on the one hand, on the bits and bytes,

and the particularities of the law in this area,

the Electronic Communications Privacy Act,

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