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The Lawfare Podcast: Ashley's War and the Role of Women on the Special Ops Battlefield

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4.7 • 6.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2016

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

The fourth Hoover Book Soiree held this week in Hoover's beautiful Washington, D.C. offices featured Gayle Tzemach Lemmon on her newest book, Ashley’s War: The Untold Story of a Team of Women Soldiers on the Special Ops Battlefield. At the event, Lemmon, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and Lawfare’s editor-in-chief Ben Wittes discussed the growing role of women soldiers in special operations and beyond, examining the story of CST-2, a cultural support team of women hand-picked from the Army in 2011 to serve in Afghanistan alongside Army Rangers and Navy SEALs. Their conversation dives into how the program developed, the lessons learned in the process, and why its success may provide critical insights for future force integration. Former Marine and current Lawfare contributor Zoe Bedell, who served in a similar capacity in Afghanistan as the women in CST-2, joined them on the panel.  

It’s the Lawfare Podcast Episode #154: Ashley’s War and the Role of Women on the Special Ops Battlefield. 

 

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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

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In many of the places where the insurgency was strongest,

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meant that male soldiers could not have access to women.

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Because they were conservative in traditional societies,

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in which it was absolutely inappropriate for men who were not related by marriage or by blood

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to be talking to women, which meant that everything women saw and knew and understood

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about their community was going unknown.

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And it also meant that if you wanted to hide a person or a thing that was then

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being sought by a ranger or a seal team, you could do so in women's quarters

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because nobody was going to go and search them.

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And so this security gap and the fact that they could not fill it with any of the talent

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that they had at the time was the only reason why Admiral McCraven put in a request

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for forces saying we need women on the battlefield here.

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We need female soldiers who will go out there on these missions to fill this gap.

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I'm Cody Poplin and this is LawFair Podcast January 23rd, 2016.

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That was Gail Zemak Lemon, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations,

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journalist and author of the book, Ashley's War,

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