The following program may contain explicit language.

It's Monday, August 17, 2020, from Slate, it's the Just Time Mike Pasca.

You know, I have a lot of cops in my family, many cousins,

uncles, growing up stories, good cops, smart cops,

lessons on how to be a good cop or a prevalent,

a good cop, pretty much meant redirecting a possibly dangerous situation.

The word de-escalation wasn't in the air then, I realize now that's what my

uncles and cousins would always talk about, not having to draw your gun,

that sort of thing.

And if you listen to the show, you know there's no topic that I've done

more in the past few months than police reform.

I've had on experts and professors and reformers and members of over police

communities and the police themselves.

I don't think I'm knee jerk pro or anti-cop.

There are a couple of things that annoy me like when someone says,

oh, Kamala, she's a cop and lets those three words serve as a condemnation.

I think that's pretty ridiculous.

And also when people denigrate the NYPD and talk about their wanton brutality,

I don't always say, no, you're wrong, especially, you know,

when we're talking about recent protests, when that wasn't exactly wrong.

But in general, I am more driven by facts about the NYPD.

I know a lot about the history of the NYPD.

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