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Welcome back to the Law Talk podcast from the Hoover Institution coming to you, as we always do from the Faculty Lounge, the Epstein and You School of Law, the one institution for the faculty protests the students.

I'm your host, Troy Seneca, former White House speechwriter, co-founder of Kighton Key Media.

And sorry, I'm just being handed this.

Apparently, I'm also the new speaker of the House.

And I am joined, as always, by the Norm and Cliff of the conservative legal

movement. They are Richard Epstein, the Peter and Kirsten Bedford Senior Fellow at the Hoover

Institution, the Lawrence A. Tish Professor of Law at NYU, and Senior Lecturer at the University

of Chicago, and John U. visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, the Emanuel S. Heller, Professor of Law at the

University of California, Berkeley, and former deputy assistant attorney general in the Bush

administration. Fellows, good to be back with you, slightly weird to be back, because we've had to do this show

against the backdrop of a lot of terrible events over the dozen or so years we've been on the

air, but probably none as grisly as these terrorist attacks that Hamas unleashed on Israel about 10 days

ago now. So, you know, legal issues, not most people's

primary focus here. But let me start with the one that does come up all the time. The media is

always at the ready, particularly when the subject is the Israelis and the Palestinians, to talk

about war crimes, to talk about proportionality, to talk about the restraints of international

law. For instance, we had this hospital in Gaza that suffered an explosion last night. I saw a

reporter on real time in ABC, on ABC, immediately rushed to say, well, if Israel did this, this was a war crime.

And this was before we learned that actually seems like it was a rocket that came from the

Palestinian side.

Today we learned it doesn't even really seem to have hit the hospital.

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