Thank you for joining us for this conversation today on the Sword and the Trial. Today, Pastor Tom and I talk with our friend and co-pastor David Mitzin-Macher about his new book that he has written, The Law for the Lawless, How to Restore Order in the Home, the Church, and the Nation. So we talk about the three uses of the law, the three-fold division of the law, and how we ought to utilize the law in Christian ministry and the household. I hope it's a helpful conversation

for you. Take a listen. Welcome to The Sword and the Trial. The Sword in the Trial is a podcast of

founders' ministries and founders exist for the recovery of the gospel and the reformation of local churches.

I'm Graham Gundin. I'm Tom Askell. And today's episode is brought to you by the Miller's Grove

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and Lake Yale Baptist Conference Center. Today we have in the studio with us a fellow pastor

and a good friend, an author of a new founder's title, David Mitzinmacher. And the new book is

The Law for the Lawless, How to Restore Order in the home, the church, and the nation.

Thanks for joining us, David.

Thanks for having me.

Today, we are talking about the book, but we also want to talk a little bit about what's coming next week. David, you're going to be there. I am. Tom, you're going to be there? I hope to be. And I'll be there. And that is, of course, the National Founders Conference. Yeah, it's going to be great. The theme is making disciples from the home to the ends of the earth, and we'll be looking at what God's commanded us to do.

Sometimes there seems to be camps that form on either the dominion mandate, the cultural

mandate, or the Great Commission, there the two shall meet.

And it's the same God who spoke both of them.

And so God has had a purpose for his world,

and that is that his world will reflect his glory

through people who look like him.

And after the fall, that's because of Jesus Christ.

So we're gonna be investigating that,

got a great lineup of speakers.

We're going to have a special session, course, because Vody Balkham, God called him home. He's not going to be with us. We anticipated to be with us. So we're going to take a special session and just remember Voting as well. Looking forward to that. We've got some people that will be participating in that that have known Vody over in Africa and as well as folks here in the

United States. So, man, and then, of course, it's sunny Southwest Florida, right? Where else would

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