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This is our first episode after the Vice Presidential debate.

We had that last night.

You know, kind of like with a lot of Vice Presidential debates,

there's not like a huge amount of buildup because, you know, we know there's,

it doesn't seem to be a lot of consequence to them.

Debates themselves, presidential debates often don't have a huge amount of consequence.

It might might have had one this year. I don't know it's you know I think it's always a little

hard to know but vice presidential debates don't tend to have a lot and this is a case where I think I feel like probably

most people thought that both of them would do okay right I mean, you know, it's with both Trump and Biden for maybe related but different reasons,

like you don't know what's gonna happen, right? The sky's the limit. But both these guys sort of isn't sky's the limit. I think the general

verdict was that Vance probably

expected.

that's a low bar to meet.

It's funny.

It's funny. I've definitely heard from some people who either were watching the debate

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