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This is the Tom Harbin Program.

And welcome back, Tom Harbin here with you.

Dr. Bruce Gilley is a professor of political science in Portland State University.

He has a new book out called The Last Imperialist, Sir Alan Burns, epic defense of the British

Empire. It's actually a remarkable look at this guy's life.

And, you know, basically as a colonialist, as a promoter of colonialism, and in fact Dr.

Gilley's piece, The Case for Colonialism, I read in its entirety and marked up extensively over

the weekend. Dr. Gilley, welcome to the program, your defensive colonialism.

Well, let me just let you first make your case.

Why should we colonize third world countries?

Well, thanks Tom, thanks for having me on.

Well, I think today we're in a different situation of course because there are countries as you

say. So to colonize a country would be too in some way to invade it, which you may do with

there's consent. I mean, we do have interventions, humanitarian interventions.

And last time I checked, I think the Lebanese, half the Lebanese population, one of the

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