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Michael Smirkanish. He is the host of the show Smirkanish on CNN on Saturdays. He also has a

serious XM radio show. He presents himself as a centrist, one of the few centrist, as in his view,

at least in media. And we get into what that actually means.

Can a centrist party be successful?

What he makes of the Trump administration

and how the media has covered Donald Trump,

along with much, much more.

I think you're going to find this episode interesting.

So without further ado, I give you Mr. Michael Smirkanish.

Thank you. Without further ado, I give you Mr. Michael Smirkanish. Michael Smirkanish, welcome to the Dispatch Podcast.

Thank you for having me.

You know, what's interesting, Michael, you know, you kind of have a career where you pitch yourself as a centrist. I started in Washington. My first job out of college was a fellowship at Roll Call for a gentleman named Mort Kandracki. And one of the things that we did at the time... Morton. Yes, Morton. He wanted to do a book, and I don't think he ever wrote it on what he called militant

centrism.

What do you define as centristism?

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