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Origin Story

The Labour Party – Part Three – One Battle After Another

Origin Story

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Society & Culture, History, News, News Commentary

4.7811 Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to the third and final part of the story of the Labour Party, from Keir Hardie to Keir Starmer. Margaret Thatcher’s first election victory in 1979 initiates Labour’s longest period in opposition and its deepest identity crisis: Bennites to the left, SDP defectors to the right. After Michael Foot leads Labour to its worst vote share since 1918, Neil Kinnock takes on the long and painful job of rebuilding the party in the face of Thatcherism. Following another two defeats, the task of modernisation passes to John Smith but his sudden death enables Tony Blair and Gordon Brown to go even further, determined to transform the party and erase the trauma of 1983. Labour’s spectacular 1997 landslide seems to confirm the agenda of New Labour and the nebulous political project known as the Third Way. But its many achievements are limited by its caution, duelling egos and ideological vagueness. Is Labour still a socialist party in any meaningful way or has it disowned too much of its heritage? By the time Brown becomes PM in 2007, New Labour is exhausted and rudderless. History repeats itself: another heavy defeat, another pivot to the left. When Jeremy Corbyn replaces Ed Miliband, the left is in charge for the first time in 80 years — the revenge of the Bennites — but Labour’s fortunes are hostage to the chaos of Brexit. An impressive advance in 2017 turns into a crushing humiliation in 2019. New leader Keir Starmer mounts a speedy recovery but soon finds himself desperately unpopular: accused of squandering a remarkable comeback by lacking vision and waging an unprecedented war against the left. With new challengers to the left and Nigel Farage’s Reform UK threatening to form the most right-wing government in British history, the stakes are once again existentially high. How did Thatcherism cast Labour into the wilderness? How did Neil Kinnock make the party viable again? Did Tony Blair ever develop a coherent theory of progressive politics? Could Jeremy Corbyn ever have succeeded? Why do Labour’s left and right keep making the same mistakes? What can Labour’s history tell us about Keir Starmer’s current problems? And is it still a party of democratic socialism? • Use code ORIGINSTORY at the link below to get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan: ⁠⁠https://incogni.com/originstory⁠⁠ • Head to⁠ ⁠⁠nakedwines.co.uk/origin⁠⁠ to get a £30 voucher and 6 top-rated wines from our sponsor Naked Wines for £39.99, delivery included. • Get 25% off our highest tier annual Patreon subscription at ⁠https://www.patreon.com/originstorypod/membership⁠ • New Origin Story merch! ​​⁠https://podmarket.co.uk/collections/origin-story⁠ • Subscribe to Origin Story on ⁠⁠YouTube⁠ • See Origin Story ⁠live at the Bloomsbury Theatre⁠ on 15th April 2026. Reading list Histories • Andy Beckett – The Searchers: Five Rebels, Their Dream of a Different Britain, and Their Many Enemies (2024) • Jon Cruddas – A Century of Labour (2024) • Ian Dunt and Dorian Lynskey – Centrism: The Story of an Idea (2024) • Simon Hannah – A Party with Socialists in It: A History of the Labour Left: Second Edition (2022) • Owen Jones – This Land: The Struggle for the Left (2020) • David Marquand – The Progressive Dilemma: From Lloyd George to Blair: Second Edition (1999) • John O’Farrell – Things Can Only Get Better: Eighteen Miserable Years in the Life of a Labour Supporter (1998) • Gabriel Pogrund and Patrick Maguire - Left Out: The Inside Story of Labour Under Corbyn (2020) • Martin Pugh – Speak for Britain! A New History of the Labour Party (2010) • Andrew Rawnsley – Servants of the People: The Inside Story of New Labour (2001) ... Reading list continues on Patreon Written and presented by Ian Dunt and Dorian Lynskey. Producer: Simon Williams. Music by Jade Bailey. Art by Jim Parrett. Logo by Mischa Welsh. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Origin Story is a Podmasters production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello. Hello, welcome to origin story.

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In each episode, we take an idea, figure, or event from history, we explain its origins,

0:47.3

and we talk about how it influences political discourse today.

0:50.4

I'm Doreen Linsky, author of the Ministry of Truth, and Everything Was Go.

0:53.7

And my name is Ian Dunt. I am a columnist with the eye newspaper and the author of the striking 13

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newsletter. So you join us for the third and final part of the story of the British Labour Party.

1:04.9

We did not leave them on a high. The 1979 election, another existential crisis for Labor, of which there have been many,

1:14.5

and I'll probably be living through one right now. Membership immediately craters in one year

1:20.3

from 660,000 to 348,000. It's not that thing where people like, let's rally around the defeated

1:26.7

party. It's like, oh, fuck this then. It has never got back to where it was in 1979. So it's a similar problem to what they had in the 1950s where they seem out of touch with the aspirational mood that Thatcher didn't create. It was already building up. You can see all this evidence. This story, Andy Beckett points out, you know, it was all over the place in the late 70s. And now it can't deliver

1:48.4

redistribution through growth, that Keynesian bargain. So it doesn't have a really strong

1:52.9

economic argument against Thatcherism. And in fact, Dennis Healy, who we talked about,

1:58.3

the outgoing chancellor, he noticed that a lot of working class

2:01.5

labor voters he spoke to, we're talking about benefits scroungers, they supported cuts.

2:05.9

They were the kind of people that probably voted for Thatcher.

2:09.7

And this becomes a bit of a problem, which Tony Ben, you know, the big figure on the left,

2:15.7

refuses to acknowledge.

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