From WNYC Studios, I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Thursday, July 11th.

I asked the Treasury Department to do a study. Was all my pro-union stuff and organizing and marching and being on picket lines of the all?

Is that good or bad for the economy?

When unions do well, the entire economy and everybody's non-union does better.

Everybody.

President Biden last week before a union crowd in Harrisburg speaking without notes or a teleprompter,

by the way, I watched the video in that case trying to save his candidacy as well as trying to

rally the base for whoever the Democratic nominee ultimately is, even if it isn't him,

and that certainly includes

union members as we compare the Biden record, the Trump record and campaign promises, and the

Republican-leaning, think tank, the Heritage Foundation, and their massive blueprint written by

many Trump allies for what a Trump second term might do

called Project 2025.

And we'll take some phone calls and text from you as we go with Stephen Greenhouse,

former labor correspondent for the New York Times now with the Century Foundation on that topic

and writing sometimes for The Guardian.

All right, Stephen, Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation Think Tank Report.

Again, not part of Trump's or the Republican Party's official platform.

Trump will emphasize that, but written by many people with ties to Trump and with experience

with Trump, it's very long. The labor section

begins on page 581 and goes for more than 30 pages. So I've highlighted some passages from the

Project 2025 chapter called Department of Labor and Related Agencies. And Stephen,

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