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🗓️ 6 May 2022
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In the early days of the pandemic, the theory that Covid-19 may have originated in a virology lab was often dismissed as a xenophobic right-wing conspiracy theory. Over the intervening months and years, new information has cast a different light on the idea. Reporters Katherine Eban, Mara Hvistendahl, and Sharon Lerner join Ryan Grim to discuss the lab-leak theory.
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| 0:00.0 | Today we're going to talk about COVID and the lab leak, and I want to frame this show |
| 0:09.2 | at the top as being not just about that, but also several different things at once. |
| 0:13.8 | The first is the simple facts about what we know about the potential of the pandemic |
| 0:18.9 | getting started in a lab in Wuhan. |
| 0:21.4 | The second is about the nature of our public discourse and what information is allowed |
| 0:25.2 | to be discussed freely and what isn't. |
| 0:27.1 | For a long time, any speculation about a potential lab leak was literally banned from major social |
| 0:32.5 | media platforms. |
| 0:33.5 | You'd have your posts taken down, you might even have your entire account deleted just |
| 0:38.1 | for discussing it. |
| 0:39.6 | Then it became a right-wing thing. |
| 0:41.1 | If you are open to thinking about it, you are categorized as a right-winger and were |
| 0:45.5 | accused of xenophobia and sparking hate crimes against Asian Americans. |
| 0:49.6 | Now that we know more about the potential lab leak, the social media restrictions have |
| 0:53.4 | been lifted, but the cultural restrictions, the soft censorship that's actually way more |
| 0:58.6 | effective than the hard censorship that's still around. |
| 1:01.7 | So I suspect for a lot of our listeners what they'll hear today is going to seem out |
| 1:06.2 | of left field. |
| 1:07.8 | But all three of these journalists that I'm going to be joined with in a moment are |
| 1:10.1 | quite serious and diligent and will link in the show notes to the documents to back all |
| 1:14.9 | of this up and where we're merely speculating will be clear that that's what we're doing. |
| 1:18.4 | Now, the third thing, and this is actually the most important I want to talk about, is |
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