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you can do so at radio at thefederalist.com. I would love to hear from you. Today, I'm pleased to

welcome to the show, Devin Kurtz. He's the director of public safety policy at the

Cicero Institute, where he works specifically on the issue of homelessness. And today, I get to talk to

Devin about a new bill in Louisiana that is being decried by its critics as surprise, surprise,

the new Jim Crow. It's one of the left's favorite smears for policies they don't

like. Today, Devin and I dive into the specifics of the bill, why it's absolutely not the new

Jim Crow. And we also talk about how we can address the issue of homelessness across the country

more broadly. So without further ado, please welcome to the show, Devin Kurtz.

Devin Kurtz, thanks so much for joining me today on the Kyliecast. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, it's such a pleasure. I knew I wanted to invite you on the show as soon as I read the piece that you had in the Federalist, which we will get to in just a minute. But first, for our listeners who maybe aren't familiar with you, can you just start us off by telling us who you are, where you're from, where you're, and how you got into the work that you're doing now?

Happily. So I am the policy director focusing on public safety at the Cicero Institute,

which is a think tank in Austin, Texas. I've been with Cicero since it started. It actually

started in San Francisco., has some Silicon Valley

routes. And our experiences there largely shaped my current work on homelessness. We're national

and scope now. We work in more than 30 states advising state lawmakers, advising federal agencies,

the White House. And I live in Salt Lake City. Okay, excellent. So I first

came across your work because of this article that you wrote for the Federalist that's specifically

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