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Hello and welcome to The Knife Off Record.

I'm Pasha Eaton.

I'm Hannah Smith.

On today's episode, we're going to cover the case of Echo May Wiles' disappearance.

We're going to reference an interview we did with a retired FBI special agent.

We are going to skip recommendations and listeners questions this week.

Instead, we are going to ask a very important question.

How do you know if someone is lying to you?

I mean, this is really something everyone would love to know.

I personally think I'm pretty good at it. Doesn't everybody think that they're good at it? Maybe. Maybe everybody thinks that. I feel like that's the problem, actually, is everyone thinks they're really good at it. Like, you could never fool me. Yeah. It can be a very difficult thing to know if someone is telling you the truth. Yeah. And, you know, we have been researching this a lot because we recently spoke with a retired FBI agent by the name of Mark

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