This is something I struggle with, right?

So, you know, Dave got started.

I don't know Dave's full story.

You probably know it way better than me.

But I know, like, a version of it is he got started in the church, you know, with this

financial peace thing.

Maybe it wasn't called that at the time.

But, you know, it started through the church and then eventually it became more secular

of, like, accepting to everyone to everyone like how did it well i mean

one is that actually what happened and then two like how is it balancing like a faith-based ministry but

also being secular yeah so the root of his story i really i really don't know so i don't want to

speak to that because i really don't know the root of really how he got started. So I don't want to misrepresent that. I think one thing that Dave has done very well, and the whole Ramsey organization when it comes to the organization, what I see you doing is the foundation is kingdom and its principle, right?

Yeah. And then you add your character and your flare on top of it. Yeah. And so I think that's one

thing he's done well with this show is, you know, he's going to come from a spiritual perspective,

but he's also going to yell at you on this show, you know. He's also going to, uh,

and have some interesting conversations. He may even scream at you he may call

you dumb yeah yeah for having a credit card but it's like that's his character that's his flare um

all of his personalities have flares but at the root of who he is it's definitely kingdom yeah so i think

that's the balance it's like like, you know, I was on

your stage. I didn't preach at him. I didn't say, I didn't spook him out and say what the Holy Spirit

said is. No, the foundation of who I am. Yeah. Is kingdom. But I'm going to add Anthony O'Neill on top of

that. And that's how you pretty much balance the secular and the Christian as well. Yeah, no 100%. So let's talk about

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