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Hey, I'm Kelly McGovern, and this is Embedded from NPR,

and we are bringing you a special series from our friends at the CBC.

Critics of the Pakistani government, like Karima Baluch and Sajet Hussein,

find themselves in this kind of nightmarish club.

Exiles who flee to faraway countries in the West, but still worry that Pakistan's

Intelligence Agency can get to them.

In this episode we meet some members of that club and ask,

is Pakistan targeting exiles in the West?

And just a note before we get started, this episode contains difficult subject matter, including

references to suicide and torture.

If you or someone you know might be considering suicide or are in crisis call or text

988 to reach the suicide and crisis lifeline. Okay here is host Mary Link with

episode three of the kill List from the CBC, the Dissident Club. Hello, Akhud?

Yeah, Ahmed, it's Mary Link calling. I'm sent you an email a little while ago.

So can we talk on signal? Yes, I know what's that? Sure. Signal? Yeah, I'll show you about it. This is actually an S-C-O-N-E-S-C-O-C-C-O-C-C-O-C-C-O-C-O-C-C-O-C-S. I'm talking to Akhikoraya and the safest way I can over encrypted phone calls.

Okay, I'll call you back. Okay, thanks, bye.

He's a Pakistani human rights activist and blogger

who lives in the Netherlands

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