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Today, Explained

The kids defying family court

Today, Explained

Vox

News, Daily News, Politics

4.310.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2023

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Two siblings in Utah are defying a court order to reunite with their father, who they allege abused them. ProPublica’s Hannah Dreyfus explains a controversial concept known as “parental alienation.” This episode was produced by Siona Peterous, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Noel King. Transcript at vox.com/todayexplained Support Today, Explained by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Um, life in the barricades, it's hard.

0:04.6

I'll say that it's hard not seeing people and not leaving.

0:08.0

15 year old Ty Larson updates his TikTok followers every day from inside of his bedroom.

0:12.8

The room is full of teenage boy stuff, computer, guitar, board games.

0:17.8

Also his little sister, 12 year old Bryn Lee.

0:20.4

Bryn Lee's doing good.

0:21.7

She is sleeping.

0:24.4

She sleeps nonstop.

0:25.4

It's a way to cope.

0:26.7

If you learn about psychology.

0:29.0

Ty and Bryn Lee have been barricaded inside of that bedroom since last December.

0:34.2

They're refusing to leave it because a judge says they must reunite with their father

0:39.3

and they say their father abuse them.

0:41.8

Now the judge believes the kids are victims of parental alienation.

0:46.0

That Ty and Bryn Lee's mom has poisoned them against their father.

0:49.9

Coming up on today explained what the story of these two children exposes about family

0:54.7

courts.

0:59.0

It's today explained I'm Newell King.

1:07.5

Hannah Dreyfus is an Abrams reporting fellow for ProPublica.

1:11.6

Hannah investigates abuses of power in many places, including in family court.

1:16.5

And that's how she ended up looking into the story of these two kids Ty and Bryn Lee.

1:20.6

Here's Hannah.

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