Welcome on to this week's Hollinger and Duncan, joined by John Hollinger of The Athletic.

Like you don't listen to this every week and you need people to be identified, which clearly is not the case.

But we want to get into a show that I thought was really useful for me to do last year, John,

which is looking at everyone who might be eligible for veteran extensions,

which is one of the biggest ways that guys are getting paid in kind of this post-cap space

era that we've been in after 2019.

And also, frankly, we can also say the way that guys probably get the worst contracts out there is via extension as well.

Some of the worst ones have been, I mean, obviously the John Wall one stands out, for instance.

Although I will say, I think teams, by and large, make better decisions on extensions than they do on free agents because

they've had that player in-house. So I think they have a better idea of what they're getting

and what the risks are. Certainly they have a better idea, I think, health-wise, of how the

player is holding up and where the fail points might be

on a multi-year deal. So there definitely have been mistakes made on veteran extensions,

and I think sometimes teams can underestimate the decline of, like, a mid-tier player in his

early 30s, like how quickly that can go south.

But at the same time, I think there's more wisdom that just goes into that decision because

it's it's just a less a less overall emotional decision. Like it's not driven by the distortions of July 1st and the free-for-all and free agency or any of that.

So it's a little more of a calm decision not made in the fog of war.

So I think by and large, the decisions on veteran extensions do tend to be better.

I think I would agree with you, except for the guys at the very top who are eligible for

supermax type of contracts.

That's where I think it might be a little bit different to me, right?

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