Three plane crashes, a lobotomy, two assassinations, a world famous car crash,

amputations, overdoses, and the deaths of beloved children.

There is enough trauma, heartbreak, and scandal on that list for a sizable town, much less

a single family.

In our sister podcast betooks the sheets,

Kate Lister was joined by Barbara Perry

to explore what it might be about the Kennedy Dynasty

that has involved so much devastating tragedy.

More simply put, is there a Kennedy curse? Hello my lovely betwixters it is I Kate Lister and I am here with the

podcast and to make sure that everything is above board and just as comfortable

and nice and pleasant as it possibly can be for your delicate ears.

Here is your fair dude warning.

This is an adult podcast,

spoken my adults to other adults

in an adult way covering a range of adult subjects

and you should be an adult too.

And now that we've got that little lot out the way, I hope that you can enjoy the podcast, let's do it!

Hello and welcome to Betwixt the She. It's only Barbara Perry. How are you doing?

I am doing just fine, thank you, Kate. It's so brilliant to have you here to contribute to our mini series on the

kennedies because you are you're not just Barbara Perry you are Professor

Barbara Perry and you are the Professor of Presidential Studies at the University

of Virginia's Miller Center and you co-direct the Presidential Oral History Program.

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