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Hi, it's Nick. This is a bonus episode of the Today podcast. We wanted to bring you the whole

of a conversation I've been having with Keir Starber here at the Labour Party conference in Liverpool.

We discuss domestic policy, lots of it.

We discuss those gifts and we discuss the grim situation in the Middle East.

I'll be back with Amel later today with our regular episode.

Well, we'll discuss what we both took away through it

and bring you some behind-the-scenes insights

about what it's like talking to this

and to other Prime Ministers on the Today program.

So here it is, the Keir-Starma interview.

Music Prime Minister, in your speech, you called for what you said was a new, patient, calm, determined era. I wonder,

is this because you sense the country just beginning to get a bit impatient with you and your

government? No, it's a much bigger argument that I've been making for some time now, which is the contrast,

if you like, between what I see a serious mission-driven government and the sort of politics

of easy answers.

The politics that, of the easy answer that sort of moves a crowd, but doesn't move the country forward.

The easy answers that means you duck the tough decisions

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