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Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on IHart Radio.

My guest today is Jeffrey Tucker.

Jeffrey is president of the Brownstone Institute and the author of the new book,

Spirits of America.

So nice to have you on, Jeffrey.

It's nice for you to have me on. Thank you. Well, I got to know your work during COVID,

and I associate you pretty closely with health care policy, that kind of thing. But Spirits of

America isn't a book about health care policy. Is that right?

That's right. I went in a completely different direction. I'm at like 20 books now.

Wow.

Yeah. And all my other books, I don't care about any of them. Actually, they're all kind of silly in retrospect. I mean, some of them were flat out wrong, some were very interesting,

some are in the... Really? Yeah, yeah. I mean, but some are just, you wrong, some were interesting, some are engaging.

Really? Yeah, yeah. I mean, but some are just, you know, just wrong.

I was a techno-utopian, for example. I mean, I'll just admit it. I fell for the whole bit, you know, in the early 2000, oh, we're going to get digital media.

It's going to emancipate us all from the physical world, and then, you know, all humanity will be free.

No, that didn't happen?

Yeah, it didn't work out the way I expected.

Yeah, I feel a lot of humility for having been terribly wrong on that.

There's two books in particular that are terrible.

One is called It Suggestsen World.

I mean, that's a better of the two. It's a Jetson's

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