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Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markeywood Show on IHeart Radio.

My guest today is Craig Shirley.

Craig is an American author, lecturer, historian, and public affairs consultant.

He has written six bestsellers on Ronald Reagan,

and his firm is Shirley and Mick Vicker Public Affairs.

So nice to have you on, Craig.

Thank you, Carol.

It's a real pleasure, thank you.

So I have a story for my viewers and listeners

and a reminder story for you,

but my first job in politics was actually working for Craig Shirley.

I was an intern in his office for about six weeks in 2004. I remember the year very specifically.

I was in graduate school and about three weeks into the internship, my grandmother died.

And I had to go home and it was like a big deal. I was very

close with her. And Craig Shirley and his team were so incredible to me. They were like, of course,

you have to go home. I was so nervous about it. You know, first job in politics. They planted a tree for

her in Israel. And they were just so wonderful.

They sent me like flowers.

I left that internship being like, oh, people in D.C. are so nice.

And I also did a little bit of research on your book, Reagan's Revolution, the untold

story of the campaign that started at all.

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