Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joy Waldman.

What's up, S.T.S. Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime and you're in for a great panel tonight.

I don't know about all of you, but the more I dig into Karen Reed and John O'Keefe the

more confused I get it is having an antithetical effect on me. I'm getting more confused.

Excuse me, instead of getting more clarity.

The one thing we know for sure is that John O'Keefe wound up dead on the early morning hours of January 29th, 2022.

That was in Canton, obviously a very, very divisive trial.

People who are of the free can read side of things. They believe

that there was a so-called Canton cover-up that the police who were at the house that night or law

enforcement got in some sort of fight with John O'Keefe and that's how he

wound up dead. Others believe that Karen Reed simply backed into him either intentionally or perhaps by accident.

So as we try to dig deeper into this, we welcome back an amazing guest here. Peter Ellican, who I had the

privilege of meeting while in Boston on my book tour. He is a Boston-based criminal defense attorney, a bar leader, an on-air expert legal

commentator, a college instructor, a super lawyer in New England, and his books include

super predators.

So he has done it all and I will tell you what, where did this go?

Suddenly, my bio just flipped around, but Christina Rex, she's here and so is my bio now.

She's a reporter for W.B.Z. TV News, and I was telling Jennifer Roman who does legal analysis there. When I was in

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