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Hi guys, I'm Emma.

And I'm Julie.

And welcome to our Kardashians season seven, episode four recap.

Hey, Joel.

Hi, M.

Okay, so we pick up right where we left off with this Courtney and Chloe conversation.

And let me just tell you, it's as frustrating as we imagined it to me.

Obviously, it was just like completely predictably infuriating.

But I will say that it was slightly validating, I think, as the viewer and specifically for me and you,

because a lot of the stuff that Courtney is saying is things that we have said about her

and her therapy journey before.

It's just, I think the disconnect is that she seems to present it as if she's over the hump

of that, whereas, like, we find those to be very present traits.

Yes. And yes. It's hard. No, no, it's just so hard to talk about because it's like both of these things exist for me. I truly am happy for her that she

has worked through a lot of things and come to these reflections that she finds

to be valuable in her own life. I just wish that could exist without the level of condescension

that seems to come with it. Right. I do truly believe that's what we all wish for. Jennifer

Lawrence included. But you know what it is? It's one thing to be as condescending as Courtney.

It's another thing to be entirely unaware of it and have zero self-reflection in that.

And so when she's talking to Chloe and she's saying, you know, this family is just so critical

and everyone's so critical of each other. It's like you were the one that literally walked into

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