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Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur

The Kardashev Scale & Population

Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur

Isaac Arthur

Science, Futurism, Sci Fi, Future, Scifi, Technology, Space, Engineering

4.8739 Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Imagine a scale that ranks civilizations not by their borders or technology, but by the sheer energy they command— some spanning entire galaxies. Join us as we explore the Kardashev Scale, the ultimate measure of cosmic power.


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The Kardashev Scale & Population

Episode 486; February 13, 2025

Written, Produced & Narrated by: Isaac Arthur

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, SFIA audio listeners.

0:02.5

In this month's Nebula exclusive, big alien theory,

0:05.2

we're asking the reason alien civilizations might be rare is because most aliens are huge.

0:10.5

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0:21.1

Imagine a scale where civilizations grow as vast as galaxies.

0:25.8

Today, we're exploring the Kardeshev Scale, the cosmic ladder, where power and progress go hand in hand.

0:43.8

Today we'll be exploring the Kardyshev scale, the system originally created for astronomy and steady efforts, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence that has since become the

0:48.7

framework for discussing advanced civilizations, potentially including our own.

0:54.5

These civilizations can become almost inconceivably vast.

0:58.7

To imagine the power of a full K-1 civilization, think of an entity capable of deploying

1:05.1

a billion troops into a conflict if necessary.

1:08.8

When we consider a Cardishv II civilization that harnesses the entire energy output of a star,

1:14.5

we are looking at the resource equivalent to a billion planets.

1:18.6

A Kartashev 3 civilization, which spans an entire galaxy, might view planets the way modern

1:24.5

nations view paper clips and could engage in conflicts where stars

1:28.4

are weaponized and planets serve as munitions.

1:32.5

These are stellar empires that don't measure soldiers in the billions, they count generals

1:37.4

and admirals in those numbers, or even in the trillions and beyond, and the same applies

1:42.5

to other professions.

1:44.5

With a billion times the population, such a civilization would have a billion Newton's

1:49.1

or Einstein's, and could fill a planet with mines like Shakespeare or Van Gogh.

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