He stepped away from running from president, but he is still president.

You find out who somebody is where they put their two weeks in.

I knew Josh was coming with a point table.

Josh loves... Let me tell you Josh, before you say it, there are few human beings whose eyes

light up more than yours when somebody has quit their job.

Your eyes light up Josh, like someone has just been handed the keys to the

kingdom. You have there's a joy in you that cannot be surpassed by anything

when it comes to quitting your job.

You're listening to what now? The podcast where I chat to interesting people about the conversations

taking over our world. And the conversation that's taking over the world this week?

Joe Biden stepping down from the race and Kamala Harris stepping up. This has

never happened in the history of the United States. Yes, another first and to

help us navigate this first and make sense of this

moment, I invited writer, sociologist, and all-around amazing person. Oh, and also MacArthur

genius, Tresse Macmillan Cotton to join us on the

podcast. The day of the news broke, Tresse published an opinion article in the

New York Times called Kamala or Bust and it has totally reframed the way people are thinking

about this election and what happens next. Now of course along with Tressy I'm

joined by two of my closest friends writer and journalist and professional

hater Christiana and Baku Medina and comedian and human chill pill Josh Johnson.

Hey Josh how are you? I'm good man. How are you? I am blessed my friend. Looks like we're recording.

Okay.

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