meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Moral Maze

The Jury: Moral Innovation or Historic Relic?

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.4623 Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

The jury trial has been around for almost 1,000 years. Magna Carta, in 1215, enshrined the principle that “No free man shall be... imprisoned… except by the lawful judgement of his peers.” That could be about to change, under the proposal by the Justice Secretary, David Lammy, to restrict jury trials to the most serious cases. The aim is to deal with an unprecedented backlog in the courts. Britain, thus far, has been in the minority: most countries around the world rely on judges – not juries – to evaluate the evidence, assess guilt, and deliver justice. Those in favour of juries see them as a moral institution, putting justice in the hands of randomly-selected ordinary people, rather than those of the state or a legal elite, and so reducing the chance of a biased or blinkered verdict. Opponents argue that juries can be obstacles to justice, not immune to prejudiced decisions, and lacking the expertise to weigh up the evidence in complex cases. While some see the jury system as a redundant relic of the past, others believe the deliberative democratic principle it embodies should be extended to other areas of public life in innovative ways. Should we, as some suggest, replace the House of Lords with a second chamber full of randomly-selected representative voters? Those in favour of citizen juries in politics, as well as in the governance of public institutions, believe they can provide greater democratic legitimacy and lead to better decisions, through a combination of lived experience and expert guidance. Those against citizen juries say they undermine a fundamental democratic principle: one person, one vote.

Chair: Michael Buerk Panel: Matthew Taylor, Inaya Folarin-Iman, Tim Stanley and Mona Siddiqui Witnesses: Sir Simon Jenkins, Fiona Rutherford, Anna Coote and Tom Simpson Producer: Dan Tierney.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts.

0:07.4

This is the story of a book.

0:09.8

It's a wonderful book.

0:10.9

She's an immensely valuable writer.

0:13.1

Award winning, commercially and critically successful.

0:16.6

Then, cancelled.

0:18.3

It just infuriates me.

0:19.9

You're reinforcing stereotypes.

0:21.9

I remember feeling sick by page 8.

0:24.5

A culture war about race, class, and who has the right to say what?

0:28.9

I do not think that I wrote in any way a racist book.

0:32.7

Shadow World, anatomy of a cancellation.

0:35.5

Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:37.3

Good evening. As a BBC reporter, I covered several of the most prominent trials of the late 20th century

0:43.1

and would look across at the jury and wonder why such an important decision had been left in the hands of such ordinary people.

0:49.7

When I came to sit on a jury myself, I realised our ordinariness was the point.

0:55.0

Maybe I was lucky, but our jury seemed to display a collective common sense

0:59.1

in the midst of a judicial system even then under strain, disorganised and dysfunctional.

1:04.5

There's a backlog now of some 80,000 cases.

1:07.8

The median weight for a trial of a not guilty plea is approaching a year, often far longer.

1:13.3

The system's seizing up. Justice delayed, everybody says, is justice denied?

1:19.4

To speed things up, the Justice Secretary David Lamy wants to get rid of juries in all but

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from BBC, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of BBC and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.