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Cambridge Centre for European Legal Studies (CELS) Podcast

The Judiciary and the Rule of Law in Europe: Lord Justice Baker

Cambridge Centre for European Legal Studies (CELS) Podcast

Faculty of Law, University of Cambridge

Business, Education, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 30 March 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

On 28 March 2026 CELS held a seminar event on 'The Rule of Law as a (dis)unifying Value in the European Legal Order?'.

Among the rule of law's many virtues is its capacity to provide a framework for deliberating competing ideas of justice, fairness and equality. Yet a value once widely shared is now increasingly contested in both status and meaning. The Centre held this event to explore these and related questions.

The seminar was structured around four core sub-themes. Each of these will begin with a 20-minute presentation followed by a facilitated discussion:

  • I:The Nature of Values in Supranational Legal Orders - Nabil H. Khabirpour (Video (YouTube) / Audio)
  • II: The Judiciary and the Rule of Law in Europe - Lord Justice Baker (Video (YouTube) / Audio)
  • III: The Rule of Law, the Market, and European Identity - Professor Catherine Barnard (Video (YouTube) / Audio)
  • IV: Enforcing the Rule of Law as a Value under EU Law - Professor Albertina Albors-Llorens (Video (YouTube) / Audio)

For more information see:

https://www.cels.law.cam.ac.uk/activities-archive

Transcript

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0:00.0

Well, before all that, before I was called to the bar in 1978, I was here.

0:06.5

50 years ago, this summer, where's the time gone?

0:11.6

I was preparing to do part one.

0:13.7

I was a fairly idle undergraduate and spent a lot of time doing other things, going to parties.

0:20.3

And in bookshops.

0:22.6

And once I was in a secondhand bookshop, and I saw on the shelves an old copy of

0:29.7

Wittgenstein's structures, and I opened it.

0:33.2

And in the frie leaf was the name F.R. Leavis.

0:38.8

And I thought, well, I've got to buy this.

0:40.3

I had no money on me.

0:41.2

So I dashed back to my room in Johns, came back, and the book had gone.

0:45.0

And that's sort of reflection of how you miss things in life.

0:49.2

So if you've come across a book with somebody's famous initials in it,, or it's in it, then please buy it.

0:55.0

Because it could be that someone's going through all the second-hand bookshops in the country

0:58.4

falsely putting names in. So you have to be careful about that. So that was one thing that happened

1:03.9

to be in 1970s. I would, so that's putting it in history, that was just after we joined, the UK joined

1:14.0

the EU or EEC as it was in those days. We'd become one of the nine, originally six, we'd become

1:21.7

one of the nine countries. And there'd been a referendum in 1975, whether we should stay in the

1:27.1

EU, because in those days, the Tories, conservatives are broadly speaking in And there'd been a referendum in 1975 whether we should stay in the EU.

1:28.3

Because in those days, the Tories, Conservatives are broadly speaking in favour of the EU,

1:33.3

and there's a large chunk of the Labour Party that was against it.

1:36.3

So Harold Wilson decided to have a referendum on it, which I voted on.

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