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Pop Pantheon

The Joys & Terrors of Stan Culture (with The New York Times' Joe Coscarelli)

Pop Pantheon

DJ Louie XIV

Music Commentary, Music, Pop Culture, Pop, Pop Music

4.7630 Ratings

🗓️ 3 November 2022

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Pop Music Reporter for The New York Times, Joe Coscarelli, returns to the podcast to dig into the origins, agony and ecstasy of internet stan culture. DJ Louie and Joe discuss how classic fandoms morphed into internet stan armies, the difference between being a "fan" in the old sense of the word and a modern "stan", who often wraps their entire identity around a pop star, how these armies are weaponized by the star they worship and serve as powerful promotional arms and also, more worryingly, attack dogs against anyone who they perceive as slighting them. Louie and Joe also discuss the connection between pop star stan armies and the broader pervasive of grievance culture in politics and other areas, the positive aspects of these armies, which help like-minded, often queer individuals find community and sometimes organize for good, what gets lost artistically and developmentally in the blind devotion practiced many of these groups, and so much more.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Pop Pantheon, the podcast where we completely overanalyze all of your favorite

0:14.9

pop stars and then rank them in the official Pop Pantheon. This is your host, DJ Louis

0:20.0

the 14th, and this is a B-side episode. But before we get to that, I have a few really important announcements to get off here. Pretty big deals. First, the normal shit, which is just please rate, review, and subscribe to Pot Pantheon, wherever you're listening to podcasts, those ratings really, really help us, especially

0:38.2

if you rate a review on Apple Podcasts. Maybe I'll get back to reading some of them on air at some

0:42.6

point soon when they stop triggering me when I see one bad one. But other than that, I really

0:47.3

appreciate everyone's really kind, nice reviews. And please keep leaving them for us. I really

0:52.7

appreciate that. Please follow us on social media at

0:55.7

Pop Pantheon pod on Instagram and Twitter and me at DJ L-O-U-I-E-X-I-V on both Instagram and

1:00.6

Twitter. So as some of you might have heard in our bonus episode that dropped Tuesday, we just

1:06.2

launched our new Patreon. It is called Pop Pantheon All Access, and it's a really big deal. It's something

1:14.1

that Russ and I have been working on for a long time. We've been scheming, just trying to make

1:18.6

this the most amazing thing that we could possibly for the listeners of the show. And I'm so

1:24.3

excited with what we've come up with. And just to give you a quick little background on what it is,

1:30.3

basically there's two tiers, of course, on this Patreon that you can join. One is the icon tier.

1:36.4

And that's where you're going to get for $5 a month, all of the perks and the most important meat of what this Patreon is about, which is in bonus podcast episodes.

1:45.6

I mean, we're a podcast.

1:47.4

That's why you tune in for this.

1:48.7

So we're giving you more of what you love,

1:50.9

but with some fun little twists on it,

1:52.6

that I think will make it a dynamic addition

1:54.7

to what Pop Pantheon main feed is.

1:57.4

Obviously, goes without saying,

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