Hello and in each episode of this podcast we're going to bring you an anonymous

Warsaw of Gossip from the real world but first today I have a very exciting announcement

which is that for the first time in my entire long life I have

managed to keep a secret and not only have I kept a secret I have kept a secret

for years it's incredible I'm so proud of myself and that secret is that I have been working on a book about

gossip and how we interact with it and why we love it so much and now I am done

with it and I am so proud of it and I'm proud of myself. The book is called You Didn't Hear This for me, and it has personal stories and real gossip and chapters on things like Brittany Spears and religion and urban legends and Gilgamesh.

Something that's really weird about publishing is that pre-orders of books are

super important because they help publishers understand like why a book matters and what the

audience for it is and how much time and resources they should invest into a project. I love

pre-ordering books because I always forget and then they arrive on publishing day and

I'm like, oh my God, a little present I bought for myself, what a treat. So you can pre-order my book wherever books are sold right now and then you'll get it when it comes out a little treat for yourself in the future.

And if you pre-order it from Lost City Books in DC, I will sign it and that link will be in the

show notes. Okay let's move on. I am so excited to have with me this week

Justin Ellis. Justin Ellis is the Project's editor for Defector where he has the agony and

ecstasy of editing both me and Alex. His TV credits include Wyatt's

Synix problem areas on HBO and how to fix a drug scandal on Netflix.

In his previous lives, he has been a podcast host, a magazine editor, a media business reporter,

and a newspaper beat writer.

He is currently at work on his first non-fiction book,

It's Book's Day Today, The Cruelty of Nice Folks for Harper.

Justin, welcome to the show.

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