Yeah, there should be some passion.

This doesn't have to be boring.

Boring, boring.

You don't get bored, my baseball.

Okay, one thing the game needs is more people like you, you, you, you. Still have grown men, run around tight hands. It's Mookie Betts. Daniel Bard. Steve Aoki. Here's Salt Alamacia. This is Brockhole. Hey, this is John Lester. Baseball isn't boring. Baseball isn't boring.

Welcome to baseball isn't boring.

Here's your host, Rob Radford. Hey, this is John Lester. Baseball isn't boring. Welcome to baseball isn't boring.

Here's your host, Rob Radford.

We love great stories.

And yeah, Zach McKinstree is a great story.

Not only is he an all-star this year, not only is he a key member of one of the best teams in the major leagues in the Detroit Tigers.

Not only is a huge, huge, huge breakout star in the major leagues, hence being an All-Star,

but he also is a guy who was drafted in the 33rd round, a guy who has been traded twice

and now has landed on this podcast as an All-Star on one of the best teams

in baseball.

So I wanted to catch up with Zach for our baseballs and boring on the go.

Obviously, obviously a great guy to talk to.

I wanted to talk to him about the dynamics of being traded.

He's been traded as we said twice, once from the Dodgers to the Cubs, one from the Cubs to the Tigers. So he's a great guy to offer perspective. And then he ends up with why the Tigers are so good. And thinking of something that really we don't think about enough, about the evolution of a team. He's been part of the evolution of the Tigers. All right, baseball's been boring on the go with Zach McKenzie. Take a listen. So there's no human being I'd

rather be talking to right now than Zach. And so the dynamic being traded, you've been traded a couple

times. It's, in a nutshell, it's great because a team team wants you but you're leaving your guys behind

if you can take me through the evolution of you of your mindset and a couple times you've

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