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Hello, everyone, and welcome to It Could Happen here.

My name is Dan Al-Kurd.

I'm a researcher of Arab and Palestinian politics.

Today I'm joined by Molly Crabapple, an award-winning writer and artist. She's written

three books. He's co-author of the book, Brothers of the Gun, an illustrated collaboration with

Syrian War journalist Murawang Hisham, which was a New York Times notable book, and long-listed

for the 2018 National Book Award. And her memoir, Drawing Blood, also received global praise.

Her most recent book is, Here Where We Live is Our Country, The Story of the Jewish Bund.

And it'll be out on April 7th.

I've already pre-ordered.

I'm very excited.

So I wanted to talk to Molly today, given how relevant the history she outlines in her book is to this current moment,

especially for the American Jewish community. So thank you, Molly, for joining us. Thank you so much, Donna, for having me.

It's my total honor to be here. So you describe in the book the Bun's philosophy of Doyke, or

heerness, as a rejection of the idea that Jews need to seek a homeland elsewhere to find safety.

How did you come to understand this concept personally? And why do you think it was, at least from

my perspective, so thoroughly erased from mainstream Jewish historical memory after the Holocaust?

I mean, I came across dokite through studying the

boond, which I came across through the watercolors of my great-grandfather, Samuel Rothbord,

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