The Jerusalem Embassy Opening and Protests in Gaza
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🗓️ 18 May 2018
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
The past week saw the culmination of a major shift in US policy as the United States formally opened its embassy in Jerusalem. Yet ongoing protests along the border with the Gaza Strip and the Israeli government’s harsh response have provided a sharp contrast to the hopeful rhetoric surrounding the embassy’s opening ceremony. On Friday, Lawfare senior editor Scott Anderson spoke with Khaled Elgindy, fellow in the Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings and a founding board member of the Egyptian American Rule of Law Association; Natan Sachs, fellow in and director of the Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings; and Sarah Yerkes, fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, to sort through the headlines.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | If I were advising the US on this, I would say a difficult thing, giving up on the grand |
| 0:38.9 | idea of the ultimate deal for the time being. |
| 0:42.8 | I think the terms of reference have to be more or less what kind of reference, but it's |
| 0:47.7 | not achievable at the moment. |
| 0:49.6 | And we're going back again and again to this same mistake, which is this thought of, |
| 0:53.7 | why they get capital peace, sort of capital, all capital letters peace, or you, or your |
| 0:59.4 | bust and therefore you can even mitigate the worst kind of crises. |
| 1:04.0 | I think peace should definitely still be the goal and should be a two-state solution |
| 1:07.5 | it should be said very clearly, but they were not going to achieve it soon, even if it |
| 1:11.0 | wasn't Trump, even if it was Obama, he tried. |
| 1:14.8 | And instead there should be a much more realistic approach that thinks what can be done in |
| 1:19.9 | the shorter term. |
| 1:21.7 | Not necessarily in small steps, it doesn't mean it's putting band-aids on things, it means |
| 1:25.5 | thinking strategically about what would not prevent a two-state solution down the road |
| 1:29.6 | and means thinking quite boldly. |
| 1:32.0 | I'm Scott Anderson and this is the LawFair podcast, May 19th, 2018. |
| 1:36.8 | The past week saw the culmination of a major shift in US policy, as the United States formally |
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