Was there a crime committed? As far as I'm concerned, there wasn't.

Guilty by Design dives into the wild story of Alexander and Frank,

interior designers who in the 80s landed the jackpot of all clients.

We went to bed one night and the next morning we woke up as one of the most wanted people in the United States.

What are they guilty of?

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No synthetic or AI technology was used in this production.

Cryptic Radio Presents. Close Your Eyes.

Written and produced by John Rolf Written and produced by John Rolf.

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I'm Did you get the recordings?

I did. Thank you, Morgan. It's the first time I've heard her voice since she was a baby.

I wish the circumstances could have been better. What did you make of all of it?

It's the same old tricks, with different names, and without restraint. The last tape,

one with the agent, that was hard to listen to. It makes me so angry what Joey has done to my little

girl, made her do terrible things.

Does that name Copernicus mean anything to you?

I think it might have to do with the FBI.

Maybe.

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