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We hear today to revisit on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the publishing of Colson Whitehead's debut novel, The Intuitionist,

a remarkable book in its own right for a lot of reasons we'll get into, but then of course

the beginning of an auspicious literary career that continues to be, he's in his prime

still, Rebecca, he's in his prime still.

Maybe taking a little bit of a holiday of a kind with the

carnie books. I mean you know we've talked about this before. We're having a good time.

It's so interesting to see some of the things he's interested in in in those books here

still, New York City places details but a

really amazing books I thought maybe we'd start with our origin stories when's the first time you

encountered what had was that this book if this book what was your memory of it how did it

come to be I've got a good story well I've got an important story to me about

this I may have told you before but why don't you tell me first.

Yeah, so the intuitionist came out in 1999.

I was a sophomore in high school.

I completely missed it.

This is these are the years that I'm carrying around Oprah Picks trying to make friends with other

nerds. I picked this up, I think this was my first Coulson Whitehead, I picked it up off of a

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