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This is Theology Applied.

All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied.

I am your host, Pastor Joel Webbin with Right Response Ministries.

And in this episode, I am privileged to welcome back to the show, the co-host

of Contramundum. We have C.J. Engel, and we also have Andrew Isker. Guys, thanks for coming on.

Thanks for having us, Joel. So right now, CJ, you're in the process of packing up and

moving. How are you feeling about that? Probably bittersweet, huh? It's very emotional. Yeah,

this is hard for me. I remember when Andrew and I first started talking about it and I was like,

nope, can't convince me. I'm a stone wall. And then a few months later, I was getting ready to

do it. So yeah, I'll probably be out there actually next week.

I'll be in Tennessee. So you're moving to Tennessee and you're moving from California, but it's

bittersweet because it sounds like your family has been rooted there in California for a very

long time. So you're leaving some of your home, your heritage, the beauty. and you weren't, it's not like you were living

in San Francisco or L.A., but you were in a more conservative county, right?

Oh, I'm still in the best area of California right now. And if I was judging my decisions

based on the current state of things, I would be remaining. I'm judging a 10 and 20 year time horizon,

though, is what I'm doing, you know, so the bubble gets smaller every day, and I still love it here,

and it's just hard to move, but I think this is a future strategy effort is what I'm doing. And also,

like, you know, just the conviction of fighting alongside allied people, the people here are great, but they don't really have a spirit of fighting going on the offensive, things like that. And I just need allies around me. There's a lot of energy going in with Andrew. He's already made his announcement. And Josh, who's made his announcement. So I'm, I mean, this is sort of a soft

announcement. I haven't really done a video version of this, Joel, so this is sort of exclusive

news for your audience. But yeah, I'm going to the same place. I'm going to hang out with

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