From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

J.B. Pritzker has served as Illinois governor since 2019, and he's now running for a rare third term.

During his time in office, Pritzker has become one of President Trump's main antagonists.

And for that reason, among others, many see him as a strong contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, even if he's not saying that yet.

A former businessman from one of America's wealthiest and most influential families, being a progressive billionaire

is central to J.B. Pritzker's political brand. But as anti-billionaire sentiment grows on the left,

and not only on the left, so does a potential source of tension with voters. I first sat down

with Pritzker at the governor's mansion in Springfield, Illinois, earlier this month,

as America's war in Iran continued to escalate and on the heels of the first midterm primaries.

I wanted to discuss both, but also power, wealth, and where he sees his party going.

Here's my conversation with Governor J.B. Pritzker.

Thank you. Here's my conversation with Governor J.B. Pritzker. Governor Pritzker, thank you so much for joining us.

I'm really excited to have you on the interview.

Great to be with you, Lulu.

It's a bit of a gray day here in Springfield, Illinois,

but we are at the governor's

mansion, which is really impressive, very beautiful, lots of Abraham Lincoln. In fact, there's a bust

over there of Abraham Lincoln. Does it feel weird to have him sort of looming over you sometimes?

No, it's really wonderful, actually. I mean, to think about, you know, this is the state that

produced the greatest president

that we've ever had.

And a state that's produced other great presidents, too, like Barack Obama and Ulysses S. Grant

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