Hi, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host, Pastor Joel Wevin with

Right Response Ministries. In this episode, I'm privileged to welcome Ben Garrett from Ogden, Utah,

Refuge Church. He's a co-host with Brian Sovey on Haunted Cosmos, that podcast that we all know and love.

But today, we are not talking about Fortian subject matter. We're not talking about the unhinged

Bigfoot and Nephilim and these kinds of things.

Instead, we're talking about something that is incredibly relevant, timely, urgent, and practical, as well as deeply theological.

We are talking about the upcoming presidential election, as it pertains specifically to the context of Christians who are, and rightfully so, abolitionist regarding their position

towards abortion. Both Ben and I, happily, wear the t-shirt, the hat, the hoodie, the whole nine

yards, abolitionist. That is our position. We want to see equal weights and measures. We want to see

equal penalties for the

murder of the unborn so that we would have equal protections for the unborn child, that it wouldn't

be open season on an entire class of people, namely the unborn child, because that's the only way

to defend the claim that we believe in equal dignity. You got to have equal penalties so that you have

equal protections so that you have equal value. The child in the womb is not partly made in the image of

God, is not part of a human life, but fully dignified just as any born person. The same value,

the same weight, the same dignity, therefore deserving of equal protection,

therefore mandating equal penalties. That includes not only the abortion doctor, but also the mother and also a father or anybody else who's involved in coercion. The second victim narrative

is from the pit of hell. There's our bona fides. We are abolitionists. And we're going to make the case for why abolitionist should vote for Trump, who right now

is not doing great on the issue of the life of the unborn.

We recognize that.

It's serious.

It matters.

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