The Interview: “A Fog of Delusion and Denial”: How Democrats Hid Biden’s Decline

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🗓️ 2 May 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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In this episode, Mosh sits down with Chris Whipple, author of the new book ⁠Uncharted: How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in the Wildest Campaign in History⁠ for a behind-the-scenes look at the tight-lipped four years of the Biden Administration. Whipple interviewed several former White House staffers–including Biden’s former Chief of Staff, Ron Klain–about Biden’s decline before and during his presidency, and what he calls a “fog of delusion and denial” in the President’s inner circle leading into the 2024 campaign. He takes us inside Camp David for the prep before his disastrous June 27 debate, and the chaos in the Democratic party during the three weeks after the debate until Biden’s decision to drop out. It’s also a story of personalities in Washington: the complicated relationship between Biden and Barack Obama, why Kamala Harris’ loyalty may have contributed to her failed campaign, and why President Trump’s Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles, might have a better handle on him than anyone who held the role in his first term. 🐝 This podcast was recorded from the Mo News office at ⁠Industrious at Midtown on 50th St.⁠ — Mosheh Oinounou (⁠@mosheh⁠) is an Emmy and Murrow award-winning journalist. He has 20 years of experience at networks including Fox News, Bloomberg Television and CBS News, where he was the executive producer of the CBS Evening News and launched the network's 24 hour news channel. He founded the @mosheh Instagram news account in 2020 and the Mo News podcast and newsletter in 2022. Jill Wagner (⁠@jillrwagner⁠) is an Emmy and Murrow award-winning journalist. She's currently the Managing Editor of the Mo News newsletter and previously worked as a reporter for CBS News, Cheddar News, and News 12. She also co-founded the Need2Know newsletter, and has made it a goal to drop a Seinfeld reference into every Mo News podcast.

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