The Intellectual World War w/ Gabriel Rockhill
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🗓️ 13 February 2026
⏱️ 102 minutes
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In this episode we're joined by Gabriel Rockhill to discuss his new book, Who Paid the Pipers of Western Marxism, which takes a fascinating dive into the world of anticommunist Marxism and the role that the CIA and other nefarious imperialist forces play in dividing and neutralizing the left. Gabriel Rockhill is a philosopher, cultural critic, and activist teaching Philosophy and Global Interdisciplinary Studies at Villanova University and he runs an educational nonprofit called the Critical Theory Workshop. He is the editor of multiple books, including Western Marxism: How it was Born, How it Died, How it can be Reborn, by the Italian Marxist Domenico Losurdo.Â
The conversation opens with an overview of Who Paid the Pipers of Western Marxism, orienting us towards Gabriel's analysis of bourgeois intellectual production and its role in perpetuating anticommunism among the left. We then bring in the Epstein files and discuss their relevance to our conversation before exploring what led to Gabriel writing about the intellectual world war and the process of putting this book together itself.Â
We then introduce the idea of intellectual warfare and the role that the intellectual world war plays in shaping our ideologies in the most insidious and pervasive ways. We explore why the US empire must control our minds in such a way in order to maintain its hegemony, and what this looks like in practice. Gabriel then tells us about the political economy of knowledge production and the role of the imperial professional-managerial class plays in intellectual production.Â
We then discuss real world examples of how the compatible left was used by the financial-state-intellectual complex in its global war against communism—from the Frankfurt School to Noam Chomsky and beyond. We end with a commemoration of a left figure who embodies the opposite of the compatible, anticommunist left: Michael Parenti.Â
Further resources:
- Who Paid the Pipers of Western Marxism, Gabriel Rockhill (Monthly Review Press)
- Critical Theory Workshop
- "Left-Wing" Communism: an Infantile Disorder, Vladimir Lenin
Related episodes:
- Western Marxism w/ Gabriel Rockhill
- Listen to our ongoing series on China (which includes an episode with Gabriel Rockhill)
- US Labor & Imperialism Pt. 1: the War Against Communism w/ Jeff Schuhrke
- US Labor & Imperialism Pt. 2: Zionism w/ Jeff Schuhrke (Palestine Pt. 16)
- [UNLOCKED] How Fascism Works (a Michael Parenti Reading)
Intermission music: "Song for Alicia" by Haley Heynderickx and Max GarcĂa Conover
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| 0:00.0 | You couldn't make Marxist-leaning intellectuals into right-wing. You couldn't make Marxist-leaning intellectuals into right-wing ideologues, but what you could do is engage in the soft-cell approach, allowing them to hold onto their Marxism while making their Marxism compatible with the interests of capitalism and imperialism. And so this brings us to the category of the compatible left, |
| 0:40.3 | which is useful for articulating how the US national security state |
| 0:46.3 | decided to run the soft power operations. |
| 0:50.3 | They wanted to split the left between the compatible left, |
| 0:53.3 | meaning a left that was amenable to capitalism and even imperialism and the non-compatible, which is socialist or revolutionary. |
| 1:00.0 | What they wanted to do as well is then use that compatible left to integrate people into a camp that was at least accommodating to capitalism, imperialism, if not vociferously in support |
| 1:14.2 | of it. |
| 1:14.8 | You're listening to Upstream. |
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| 1:21.0 | A show about political economy and society that invites you to unlearn everything you thought |
| 1:25.7 | you knew about the world around you. |
| 1:28.3 | I'm Robert Raymond. |
| 1:29.3 | And I'm Della Duncan. |
| 1:31.3 | Knowledge is not produced in a vacuum. |
| 1:33.3 | It's produced in material conditions under very specific contexts, |
| 1:38.3 | contexts that are shaped and controlled by those in power. |
| 1:42.3 | And this is not just knowledge in the abstract. |
| 1:45.0 | It's about academia. |
| 1:47.0 | It's about publishing houses. |
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