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Everything Belongs: Living the Teachings of Richard Rohr Forward

The Integration of the Negative with Kaira Jewel Lingo and Adam Bucko

Everything Belongs: Living the Teachings of Richard Rohr Forward

Center for Action and Contemplation

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8723 Ratings

🗓️ 10 January 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

How can we stay open to, and perhaps even become curious about, our rough edges? Today we delve further into the themes of Richard Rohr's book, 'Eager to Love,' focusing on the integration of the negative and the spirituality of imperfection. We're joined by very special guests Adam Bucko and Kaira Jewel Lingo, who share personal stories of their encounters with St. Francis and discuss the value of suffering, the Bodhisattva path, and the importance of accepting one's imperfections as a means to spiritual growth. Both share stories about the importance of feedback within community settings, as well as the integration of external practices with internal spiritual journeys. The conversation concludes with practical advice on how to approach life's challenges with joy and acceptance, noting that we're all on the road together, and everything belongs. Kaira Jewel Lingo is a Dharma teacher with a lifelong interest in spirituality and social justice. Her work continues the Engaged Buddhism developed by Thich Nhat Hanh, and she draws inspiration from her parents’ lives of service and her dad’s work with Martin Luther King, Jr. After living as an ordained nun for 15 years in Thich Nhat Hanh’s monastic community, Kaira Jewel now teaches internationally in the Zen lineage and the Vipassana tradition, as well as in secular mindfulness, at the intersection of racial, climate and social justice with a focus on Black, Indigenous, and People of Color, and activists, as well as artists, educators, families, and youth. Based in New York, she offers spiritual mentoring to groups and is author of We Were Made for These Times: Ten Lessons in Moving through Change, Loss and Disruption and co-author of Healing Our Way Home: Black Buddhist Teachings on Ancestors, Joy and Liberation. Adam Bucko is an Episcopal priest, teacher of contemplative spirituality, spiritual director, and activist. Born and raised in Poland under a totalitarian regime, his early exposure to spiritual activism deeply shaped his life's orientation. A committed voice in the renewal of Christian contemplation and new monasticism, he authored Let Your Heartbreak Be Your Guide: Lessons in Engaged Contemplation and co-authored Occupy Spirituality: A Radical Vision for a New Generation and The New Monasticism: An Interspiritual Manifesto for Contemplative Living. Currently, he directs The Center for Spiritual Imagination in New York, dedicated to democratizing monastic spirituality and teaching contemplative prayer in response to the cries of the poor and the earth. He also serves as a priest at the Cathedral of the Incarnation in Garden City, New York.  Together, Kaira and Adam lead The Beloved Community for Engaged Spirituality, inspired by the social vision of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Thich Nhat Hanh, and the Buddhist-Christian teachings of Engaged Contemplation.   Hosted by CAC Staff: Mike Petrow, and Paul Swanson Resources: A PDF of the transcript for this episode can be found here. Grab a copy of Eager to Love here. To learn more about Kaira Jewel Lingo, visit her website here. Learn more about Adam Bucko, here. To find out more about Adam and Kaira's monastary, visit here.

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0:00.0

You're listening to a podcast by the Center for Action and Contemplation.

0:04.3

To learn more, visit cac.org.

0:07.5

Hey friends, welcome back to the Everything Belongs podcast.

0:11.5

We hope you've had a fantastic holiday season.

0:14.8

We missed you.

0:15.7

It's great to be here with you again.

0:17.7

Mr. Paul Swanson, it's great to be here with you again, sir.

0:20.4

I missed you as well. I missed you. Happy New Year. Good to be back together. Right on, right on. What a chapter to come back to for those of our listeners who might be new. This is the Everything Belongs podcast. This is a podcast where we get to live the teachings of Richard Rohr Forward. So what we do together is we go through one of Richard's books this season. We're looking at the book, Eager to Love, chapter by chapter. We get a chance to go talk to Richard about that and then talk to some guests that can help us illuminate the chapter that we're looking at. But you absolutely do not have to be reading the book to listen along and probably to get quite a bit out of each episode. This week, we're back after the holidays to look at Chapter 7, the Franciscan genius,

1:00.7

the integration of the negative. And goodness gracious, we have a great episode for you.

1:05.5

Yeah, it's the combination of us first being in conversation with Richard and swirling around these ideas

1:12.6

of what does it mean to integrate the negative? And what does that have to do with genius?

1:16.5

And how is this exemplified in the life of Francis and Claire? And of course, Richard sneaks

1:22.7

in some Teresa of the zoo into the chapter and as one of his favorite mystics. The conversation just, I feel,

1:29.0

like, explores territory that is natural to the everyday life and the foibles that we bump into

1:35.2

by our own delicious and downright human way of interacting with the reality. What struck you

1:42.4

about that conversation with Richard?

1:48.1

Well, first of all, what I appreciate and folks might not know is when we record these conversations, there's so much opportunity to deal with the fullness of reality, to integrate

1:53.9

the negative by dealing with the technical challenges that we have or the people who come to the

1:59.0

door and knock in the middle of a recording

2:00.8

are Opie,

2:02.1

hoping at a duck or a bird or a car.

2:06.6

It's this constant reminder to come back to loving everything that is.

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