The Institutional Insanity (of) “Defense”
Ralph Nader Radio Hour
Ralph Nader
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🗓️ 14 January 2023
⏱️ 84 minutes
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Summary
Ralph welcomes back retired Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson to talk about American military policy, including the record $816.7 billion Pentagon budget, the war in Ukraine, the insanity of nuclear weapons, potential conflict with China and what the right-wing caucus in the House of Representatives really wants when they say they want to cut military spending. Plus, Ralph reads and responds to your questions and feedback from previous programs.
Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired U.S. Army colonel and former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell. During the course of his military service, Colonel Wilkerson was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal with Oak Leaf Cluster, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross, and the Bronze Star among other awards and decorations. At the Department of State, he earned the Secretary’s Distinguished Service Award, as well as two Superior Honor Awards.
My position on Ukraine now is: Shut up and start talking. To both sides. I’m convinced, from my contacts in Moscow, that the Russians would do that. If we even seemed to be serious. We’re the impediment.
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson
Let’s just take a scenario: let’s put ourselves down on the ground in Ukraine. Let’s say we put our army (which is smaller than the army of Bangladesh) on the ground in Ukraine, with the purpose of fighting the Russians. We would have 10,000 casualties a day for the first 30 days… The American people have never had these kinds of casualties. NEVER. Never. Not in any of their lives have they had these kinds of casualties. And they’re going to have them. That’s what it’s all about.
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson
One person, an otherwise very gifted diplomat, said to me the other day, “We don’t know how to do diplomacy anymore. We don't do diplomacy anymore. Because our diplomacy has been replaced by bombs, bullets, and bayonets.” He’s right. He’s absolutely right. That’s what we’ve done. That’s the kind of insanity I’m talking about. You have no diplomacy.
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson
We do not have a democracy. We have a deep-state oligarchical corporatocracy. And the American people are on the outside. And the American people— intuitively and, in some cases, intellectually— understand that and go about their business and do what they have to do… but they don’t participate in the government.
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerso
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| 0:00.0 | It's the Ralph Nader radio hour. |
| 0:05.3 | Stand up, stand up, you've been sitting way too long. |
| 0:13.7 | Welcome to the Ralph Nader radio hour. |
| 0:15.4 | My name is Steve Scroven, along with my co-host David Feldman. |
| 0:18.8 | Hello, David. |
| 0:19.6 | Happy new year. |
| 0:20.6 | Happy new year to you. |
| 0:22.2 | And the man of the hour, Ralph Nader. |
| 0:24.6 | Hello, Ralph. |
| 0:25.8 | Hello, everybody. |
| 0:26.7 | You're going to want to send this program to your friends. |
| 0:30.5 | Just before the end of 2022, Congress passed and President Biden signed the NDAA, the National |
| 0:37.5 | Defense Authorization Act. |
| 0:39.7 | It set a new record for defense spending, sending $816.7 billion to the Pentagon. |
| 0:46.8 | That's a lot of money. |
| 0:47.9 | In fact, it's a lot more than the Pentagon actually requested. |
| 0:51.9 | It also contains a number of provisions unrelated to the military. |
| 0:55.8 | The NDAA has passed every year since 1961, so it's become a reliable vehicle for Congress. |
| 1:02.1 | There's been a few other goodies. |
| 1:03.7 | Well, to break it all down for us, we've invited Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson back to the |
| 1:07.5 | program. |
| 1:08.5 | As many of you know, Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired U.S. Army Colonel. |
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