The Inside Story of the Wild Final Days of the Biden Campaign With Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes

Somebody's Gotta Win with Tara Palmeri

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🗓️ 3 April 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Tara is joined by NBC senior political analyst Jonathan Allen and senior political journalist for The Hill, Amie Parnes, to discuss their latest book, ‘Fight: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House,’ a behind-the-scenes account of the events surrounding Joe Biden stepping down in the presidential race through the end of Kamala Harris’s unprecedented campaign. They talk about the chaotic discussions that ensued within the Democrats' top brass after Biden’s announcement, shine a light on the efforts to hide Biden’s mental deficiencies, and highlight Harris and Tim Walz’s reactions after the election results came in. For more of Tara’s independent journalism subscribe to her newsletter ‘The Red Letter’ here on Substack! Host: Tara Palmeri Guests: Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes Producer: Chris Sutton Production Supervision: Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey, it's Bill Simmons letting you know that we are covering the White Lotus on the Prestige TV podcast and the Ringer TV YouTube channel every Sunday night this season with Mallory Rubin and Joanna Robinson.
0:11.2	Also on Wednesdays, Rob Mahoney and I will be sort of diving deep into theories and listener questions.
0:17.1	So you can watch that on the Ringer YouTube channel and also on the Spotify app.
0:21.2	Subscribe to the Prestige podcast feed.
0:23.7	Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel.
0:26.1	And don't forget, you can also watch these podcasts on Spotify.
0:30.8	White Lotus! Let's go.
0:32.1	Okay. Hi, I'm Tara Palmeri, and this is somebody's got to win.
0:51.7	Okay, so I have a spicy, spicy conversation for you. I've got John and
0:58.3	Allen and Amy Parns two killer journalists on the line talking about their latest book,
1:03.8	fight inside the wildest battle for the White House, and they go into great detail, into those days
1:09.1	during the election, like before Joe Biden hit
1:11.7	the debate stage, when he decided to drop out of the race, all of the days after election
1:16.2	night and what went down behind the scenes.
1:19.9	All of the juicy moments as Democrats scrambled to hide Joe Biden and his frailty and to try to pick another candidate without going through a
1:30.6	democratic process and then failing at the ballot box.
1:33.5	This is a really interesting, riveting conversation.
1:36.6	I mean, we go through the play-by-play of the day when Joe Biden dropped out of the race
1:41.1	without giving Kamala Harris any notice.
1:43.7	She had to beg him for an
1:44.8	endorsement. We talk about how Nancy Pelosi tried to get Joe Biden not to debate. Donald Trump,
1:49.4	she knew he couldn't handle it. We go into what she and Barack Obama were up to, how they
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