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You're Wrong About

The Insanity Defense with Mackenzie Joy Brennan

You're Wrong About

Sarah Marshall

True Crime, Society & Culture, News, Culture, Politics, History

4.6 • 23K Ratings

🗓️ 19 August 2025

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

What do John Hinckley Jr. and a jazz age tuberculosis patient have in common? Legal correspondent ​​Mackenzie Joy Brennan takes Sarah through some of the strange cases that helped make—and break—the insanity defense in America. Our story includes a woman who carried her (alleged) victims’ bodies around in a suitcase, and the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan—carried out with the intention of impressing a young Jodie Foster. More Mackenzie Joy Brennan: http://www.mkzjoybrennan.com More ...

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0:00.0

Like, broadly speaking, if you're an American woman and you're not insane in the 1920s and 30s, then like you're not aware of what's going on.

0:18.4

Welcome to your wrong about. I'm Sarah Marshall, and this week we are, of course, investigating

0:24.4

the insanity defense, the law, the myth, the legend, with McKenzie Joy Brennan. McKenzie was last

0:32.8

with us for our episode. Has the Supreme Court always been this terrible?

0:39.0

McKenzie is a lawyer and legal analyst and would like to tell us that since we last talk,

0:44.8

the Supreme Court has also shown us that it can get even more terrible.

0:49.1

So we should also probably have her back on to talk about that too.

0:52.5

But in the meantime, this episode really does have

0:56.5

so many stories within it. A Great Depression-era woman facing off against the electric chair,

1:03.4

Jody Foster, and of course, Ronald Reagan. McKenzie is also joining us for an upcoming bonus episode. I can't wait. And if you

1:14.4

haven't listened to our bonus episodes, you should check them out sometime. We have had some

1:19.8

really fun stuff lately, including a discussion of beyond belief, fact or fiction with Chelsea

1:26.6

Weber Smith, and a conversation about Bigfoot,

1:30.9

my favorite cryptid, with our inconvenient mammal correspondent, Lulu Miller.

1:37.3

And that's your introduction.

1:39.3

This is a law episode.

1:42.1

It's a history episode.

1:43.9

We're so happy to share these stories with you and to

1:47.5

keep on learning about the legal world, which tries to make us feel dumb so we don't notice

1:54.0

what people are up to. But with a little bit of vocabulary and with a great guest like McKenzie,

2:02.2

we can learn to understand the world we're in. And let's go do it together.

2:12.7

Welcome to your wrong about the podcast where we talk about topics that you grow up hearing on

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