So we've been producing this season all about gender and power in American politics

right alongside the breaking news of Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation debate. And honestly, like

everybody else, we were stopped cold by the Senate's hearings. I couldn't see who

pushed me. Brett and Mark came into the bedroom and locked the door behind them.

It dredged up so much stuff for so many people, all of us included. So I just want to talk about that for a minute and I've asked our executive

producer Karen Frillman to join me because of something she said while we were all watching the

hearing. Hey Karen. Hey Guy. One of the things you mentioned that you and some others, you and some of your friends have

been talking about that struck me is that being a certain generation that feels like they've been through this kind of

conversation already. I think it's not so much that we've been through it. I think we

felt as if we pushed back against it in the 1970s and we said we have our

personal space you cannot have it we marched around take back the night we felt as

if we had made the point that no means no and women have a right

to their own bodies and their own decisions about it. And I think we felt that we had had that conversation and

so it's extremely painful. It's been extremely difficult to hear that generation

after generation of women and women who are in their

20s many of them feel like this has been their experience too.

Meanwhile I have to say I mean listening to the accounts of these parties and these boys and they're drunken debauchery you know the level of just entitlement to other people's bodies as playthings, as

playthings, as jokes. I don't even have the language of it, but it

emotionally feels very familiar to being a high school boy.

And see, I think of her at 15 years old, having come from swimming and feeling as if she was

hanging out with friends, and there's a tremendous sense of innocence in

her testimony and this incident was the end of innocence for her and that's why

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