Hello ladies, hello gentlemen. This is the Victor Davis Hanson show. I'm Jack Faller, the host and Victor Davis Hanson is the Martin and Ely Anderson senior fellow with the Huber institution and the Wayne and Marsha Busky distinguished fellow in history.

At Hillsdale College, the federal indictments that have come down against former president Donald Trump, Victor spoke a little about this the other day and his previous podcast episode with Sammy some more details have come out. So we're going to get fuller thoughts from Victor on that on Hunter Biden's.

Well, I should say that the the House committee has seen some of these FBI documents about Hunter Biden's and Joe Biden's Corleone family, shake down or bribes from the Ukrainians and what else we're going to talk about Carlson on Twitter. Maybe we'll try to spy Island off a Cuba Victor will get to your thoughts on all these things right after these important messages.

We're back with the Victor Davis Hanson show so two things Victor, various images have come out about the Trump indictment, some of the grand jury testimonies or investigation, Trump's conversations with a publisher of newspapers talking about attack plans, etc.

Whole host of things have come out and some really I think for the general public, we're not as consumed as by politics as you are RIR or not so deeply ingrained in conservatism as you and I are maybe to the general voter.

After these images, maybe just what Dr. Merrick Garland ordered a political harmful political attack on a Donald Trump that Trump that will resonate with your average American voter.

So that's just one thought Victor, I think there's a regardless of the justice or injustice of this. There's a political consequence that we'd like your opinion on and then just to jump off here.

I'd like to read the beginning of Wall Street journals Saturday Wall Street Journal's editorial title to destructive Trump indictment. By the way, I don't endorse this editorial or pose it, but I just think it's a good jumping off point for you.

Whether you love or hate Donald Trump is indictment by President Biden's Justice Department is a fraught moment for American democracy for the first time in US history.

The prosecutorial power of the federal government has been used against a former president who is also running against the sitting president. This is a far, this is far graver than the previous indictment by a rogue New York prosecutor and it will royal the 2024 election and US politics or years to come.

Victor goes on to say that the no one should be fooled.

This is attorney general, Merrick Garland's responsibility, Mr. Garland appointed Mr. Smith, that's Jack Smith, the special counsel to provide political cover, but Mr. Garland reports to Mr. Biden has the authority to overrule the special counsel's recommendation Americans will inevitably see this as a Garland Biden indictment.

And they are right to think so. Victor, I think that's dead on maybe other things in the editorial aren't Victor, what are your thoughts now two, three days removed from the announcement of the indictment?

Well, before you get to what the, you know, the journal says that Trump's anti-democratic excesses, but whenever anybody says that, they have to specify what they mean.

I would ask the journal editorial writers, what do you mean exactly what do you mean Donald Trump then took all of these archives out.

He was careless, even though more logos a lot compound and he was in a fight with the archivist who and I guess as this happens, these are usually civil matters.

And then they sent FBI people to him, okay, so is that a, is that a, what is that an insurrection against democracy? Did Donald Trump hire a foreign national like Christopher steel to disrupt a campaign?

Was he like the FBI under Barack Obama that as we know opened the operation crossbar, Obama was briefed on it, he knew about it.

And he knew that was bogus, even John Brennan said that it was a hilly apple campaign.

Did he do what Joe Biden did? Did he have one of his Mike Pompeo was his secretary of state? We know in 2020 that would Trump order Mike Pompeo to call up people in the CIA

and lie and say, let's say the laptop was, was Russian disinformation with Trump, said, okay, you guys Pompeo, you get on the phone and you tell that old Mike morale around up 51 people to swear that it's authentic when he knew it was.

So what I'm getting at is that we are, we're living through the most egregious period of corruption. And I haven't talked about the Biden family's money processing consortium in our history.

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